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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 8, 2022 9:44:46 GMT -5
Not to sound too repetitive...
Someone mentioned that every team that comes to the Hart seems to have 1 to 2 shooters that can nail the three. Uh, welcome to basketball (pro or college) for the last 15 years. You have to shoot the three to win. If you have been absent for the past 15 years, the free throw line has been around since inception. If you can't shoot there, and you can't shoot the three, then you can't, uh, shoot. Shooting is important. It's not just athleticism, but game skill. HC needs players that can sink shots or they will lose many close games on effort. It's another reason I think that the assist numbers are low-- if you can't scheme guys open (coaching), or players can't sink those shots (players), then you'll have grind one-on-one and attack the rim. Lower percentage shots, 2 points versus 3 points, and the compounded risk of getting fouled, going to the free throw line, and only getting 1 (or in a few cases last night, zero) points.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 8, 2022 9:46:28 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 9:52:12 GMT -5
The first half was very blah. At least there was more energy in the second half Coulibaly was not dressed, but it's not like he had a cast or a boot or something like that Rabinovich was the first sub of the game, but I don't think he played at all in the second half. Montgomery seems to be the point guard when Batch is out. Tse came in late in the first half when Batch did something the coach didn't like . I think he also didn't play in the second half. Nine deep in the first half. Seven deep in the second half - and one of those seven (Wilbar) only had a couple of minutes. Down the stretch it was Montgomery, Gates, Octave, and Kenney with Dorsey and Batch doing the offence/defense switch off HC went to a zone a few times but only for one (maybe two) possessions before reverting back to man Gates hit two free throws late to bring the team's percentage up to a poor 40+ percent. If this continues, teams can will resort to the Hack-a-Shaq defense. Sienna wasn't much better. After the post game meeting, Kenney came back out and was shooting free throws 7 assists? I went to the open practices and there was way more ball movement than I saw last night In that open practice the offense was playing against the HC defense. |
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Post by hc99 on Nov 8, 2022 10:14:50 GMT -5
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. Offense didn't look very fluid. I think the defense looks quick enough to play man and the few times they played zone, they didn't look all that good to me. Gates is great but having no one taller than him that seems to be able to do anything will be a huge hindrance. I'll start my fire Coach Nelson petition now. He isn't the answer. No point in letting him coach the season. Just give RJ the reigns for the rest of the year, find the next coach in the offseason, and let the re-rebuild start. And yeah, the refs weren't totally horrible. A few ticky tacky fouls that were called on HC that weren't called on Siena. I only offered the refs my glasses twice and only asked if they lived in Albany once so I guess that means they were ok.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 10:18:34 GMT -5
One of the refs has done multiple final fours, John Cahill( grey haired)
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 10:23:59 GMT -5
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. Offense didn't look very fluid. I think the defense looks quick enough to play man and the few times they played zone, they didn't look all that good to me. Agree about the zone Siena shot 52, 41 on 3s Man D was not good either |
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Post by hc99 on Nov 8, 2022 11:04:38 GMT -5
Siena shot 52, 41 on 3s Man D was not good either Agreed but i'd rather take my chances with the man defense than that god awful zone they were trying |
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 8, 2022 11:28:01 GMT -5
One of the refs has done multiple final fours, John Cahill( grey haired) [br Meant to hit the "quote" tab on my phone but hit the "like" tab... Anyway is there more than one ref named John Cahill who has done multiple final four games? There is a John Cahill who did 11 final four games who retired in 2013 after 40 years in BB.... Can't be the same guy as he would be almost 70 now... |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 11:34:06 GMT -5
I believe there is only one
His hair has been white since he began reffing in the Big East many years ago.
Doing our game when there were so many bigger games leads me to believe he may have dropped down in Conferences.,
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Post by trimster on Nov 8, 2022 11:47:21 GMT -5
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. Offense didn't look very fluid. I think the defense looks quick enough to play man and the few times they played zone, they didn't look all that good to me. Gates is great but having no one taller than him that seems to be able to do anything will be a huge hindrance. I'll start my fire Coach Nelson petition now. He isn't the answer. No point in letting him coach the season. Just give RJ the reigns for the rest of the year, find the next coach in the offseason, and let the re-rebuild start. And yeah, the refs weren't totally horrible. A few ticky tacky fouls that were called on HC that weren't called on Siena. I only offered the refs my glasses twice and only asked if they lived in Albany once so I guess that means they were ok. I don't know how this season is going to play out but I do think it is way too early to talk about ending the Nelson era. |
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 8, 2022 12:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 12:09:23 GMT -5
Hard to fathom, but looks like the same guy.
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Post by hc99 on Nov 8, 2022 12:25:53 GMT -5
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. Offense didn't look very fluid. I think the defense looks quick enough to play man and the few times they played zone, they didn't look all that good to me. Gates is great but having no one taller than him that seems to be able to do anything will be a huge hindrance. I'll start my fire Coach Nelson petition now. He isn't the answer. No point in letting him coach the season. Just give RJ the reigns for the rest of the year, find the next coach in the offseason, and let the re-rebuild start. And yeah, the refs weren't totally horrible. A few ticky tacky fouls that were called on HC that weren't called on Siena. I only offered the refs my glasses twice and only asked if they lived in Albany once so I guess that means they were ok. I don't know how this season is going to play out but I do think it is way too early to talk about ending the Nelson era. I was in the grouping that wanted him let go at the end of last season. Color me not impressed. I don't know. I sat pretty close to the bench last night and nothing I saw gave me any confidence in the guy. Maybe he'll end up being a great head coach somewhere else in the future but I don't think he's going to have any success at HC. Still hope I'm wrong though. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 8, 2022 12:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 8, 2022 12:39:27 GMT -5
One of the refs has done multiple final fours, John Cahill( grey haired) He was down that low last night? The three that were at UConn were Luckey, Gaffney and Driscoll. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 8, 2022 12:44:05 GMT -5
I like our media relations team misspelling Siena. |
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Post by cmo on Nov 8, 2022 12:48:45 GMT -5
Pete Gillen was at the Hart last night taking in the game .
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Post by hcnation on Nov 8, 2022 12:50:46 GMT -5
After watching that video, who said we can’t shoot😀
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Post by timholycross on Nov 8, 2022 13:12:50 GMT -5
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. Offense didn't look very fluid. I think the defense looks quick enough to play man and the few times they played zone, they didn't look all that good to me. Gates is great but having no one taller than him that seems to be able to do anything will be a huge hindrance. I'll start my fire Coach Nelson petition now. He isn't the answer. No point in letting him coach the season. Just give RJ the reigns for the rest of the year, find the next coach in the offseason, and let the re-rebuild start. And yeah, the refs weren't totally horrible. A few ticky tacky fouls that were called on HC that weren't called on Siena. I only offered the refs my glasses twice and only asked if they lived in Albany once so I guess that means they were ok. I don't know how this season is going to play out but I do think it is way too early to talk about ending the Nelson era. Assume you mean canning him now or soon versus at the end of the year; which I think is inevitable. Canning one coach in season, Gilmore, (actually two, in effect they canned Gibbons in January) is enough for me. |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 8, 2022 13:18:04 GMT -5
John Gallagher got a couple of mentions. On the broadcast? I didn’t have audio for a good portion of the 2nd half. No, on Crossports. I went back and forth between M&W game broadcasts and didn't hear Gallagher mentioned. I fully support CBN finishing the season as head coach but the availability of Gallagher an hour away as a consultant/advisor/mentor is very interesting. He brought UH to the dance in 2021. Very impressive. AE is in the same ballpark of competition as the PL, so I wouldn't mind hearing what others think. |
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Post by hc99 on Nov 8, 2022 13:21:49 GMT -5
I don't know how this season is going to play out but I do think it is way too early to talk about ending the Nelson era. Assume you mean canning him now or soon versus at the end of the year; which I think is inevitable. Canning one coach in season, Gilmore, (actually two, in effect they canned Gibbons in January) is enough for me. yeah, I mean canning him now. Don't see the point of letting him stick around. Sucks that you have to keep paying him but if he's not going to be signed to a new contract (which I don't think he should be), forget the lame duck year and just move on now. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 8, 2022 13:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 8, 2022 13:51:03 GMT -5
The first half was very blah. At least there was more energy in the second half Coulibaly was not dressed, but it's not like he had a cast or a boot or something like that Rabinovich was the first sub of the game, but I don't think he played at all in the second half. Montgomery seems to be the point guard when Batch is out. Tse came in late in the first half when Batch did something the coach didn't like . I think he also didn't play in the second half. Nine deep in the first half. Seven deep in the second half - and one of those seven (Wilbar) only had a couple of minutes. Down the stretch it was Montgomery, Gates, Octave, and Kenney with Dorsey and Batch doing the offence/defense switch off HC went to a zone a few times but only for one (maybe two) possessions before reverting back to man Gates hit two free throws late to bring the team's percentage up to a poor 40+ percent. If this continues, teams can will resort to the Hack-a-Shaq defense. Sienna wasn't much better. After the post game meeting, Kenney came back out and was shooting free throws 7 assists? I went to the open practices and there was way more ball movement than I saw last night Of course we won't shoot .435 on the season for free throws but we surely will struggle. The median D-1 team last year shot .715 on free throws , HC was right there at .712, but we lost Luc (,789) and Humphrey (,818) plus an average FT shooter in Martindale (,708).. This year Gates will no doubt take more free throws than any other player and he, thankfully, is average at .716 for his career. Bo Montgomery is below average at .660 while Octave is a very weak .568 and Kenney .500. I don't know how often Batchelder will get to the line or whether he is a good free throw shooter. Dorsey never gets to the line: he has played 509 minutes in his career and has taken just 6 free throws-astounding. If I had to make a prediction I'd put our over/under at .667, making 2 of 3 attempts. for the season. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 8, 2022 13:54:52 GMT -5
Pete Gillen was at the Hart last night taking in the game . My hs teammate A fine person He does CBS Sports. So he may have been preparing for an HC or Siena game |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 8, 2022 13:58:43 GMT -5
Do we not shoot it well because we have 1) bad shooters, 2) Nelson is not putting our players in a high-percentage position to make shots, or 3) a combination of the two?
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